Friday, April 15, 2022

The Public Transcripts 33 ...More from Gordon Brown

Asked about the legal advice he commented that if he had known the uncertainty pertaining to Lord Goldsmith's legal advice then that he did now ... it would not have changed his view unless Lord Goldsmith was prepared to say that his unequivocal advice was that this was not lawful.  A cunning argument that no one else seemed to have thought of. He always has an alibi, or one or two to spare. He also attempted to put some distance between himself and President Bush's antics commenting that "I never subscribed to what you might call the neo-Conservative position that somehow, at the barrel of a gun, overnight, liberty and democracy could be conjured up."


He went onto say that if you look the question of expenditure in Iraq, you have got to start from this one fundamental truth -- that every request that the military commanders made to us for equipment was answered. No request was ever turned down. Unfortunately there is a difference, of course, between being turned down and being ignored. So clearly no one requested any UAVs and if they did they were not turned down ... the requests simply proceeded very slowly. Of course it could be that some things were turned down but if they were then they were turned down for good reason by someone lower down the command chain than Gordon himself who was, as he puts it, purely incharge of the finance of the war (not conducting it). He was forced to later retract his claims that defence spending had always risen.

The Public Transcripts 32 Gordon Brown ...

Gordon Brown's testimony reveals exactly why he later rose to the top of the tree.  Like the late Jim Hacker he relentlessly uses the technique of answering one question with the answer to a different question usually involving his catchphrase "It was the right decision and it was for the right reasons.".  Despite actually living in Number 10 (Tony Blair lived in the flat above Number 11) Mr Brown insisted that he didn't know much about the diplomatic and military preparations for the war because he was as chancellor of the exchequer engrossed in doing complicated long division sums.  If a war crime was committed Gordon was not there.



The Public Transcripts 31 - Lord Goldsmith's Actual Legal Advice


 

Jaques Chirac's speech about not joining in the Iraq War

 


The Public Transcripts 30 Jack Straw said that he didn't wish to invalidate Ms Short's recollection...

Jack Straw said that he didn't wish to invalidate Ms Short's recollection of the cabinet shouting her down but it wasn't his recollection and also the Cabinet wasn't exactly full of "wilting violets".


...and then went on to slag off Jaques Chirac. Taking apart every semantic nuance of his speech ...








 

 


The Public Transcripts 29 Ann Clwyd MP Prime Minister's Special Envoy to Iraq, 2003 - 2009

Ann Clwyd MP Prime Minister's Special Envoy to Iraq, 2003 - 2009 and member of CARDRI ("Committee Against Repression and for Democratic Rights in Iraq") who spent much time before the war drawing attention to the most sadistic aspects of Saddam's regime (culminating in this article) gave some gruesome testimony about the Iraqi penal system.  Here's a typical extact:




Many of the former members of CARDRI went on to have senior positions in the Iraqi Government. Like President Jalal Talabani the current President. 
 


The Public Transcripts 28 Clare Short stated pretty bluntly that Lord Goldsmith had in her view mislead the Cabinet about the surety of the advice he was offering

Clare Short stated pretty bluntly that Lord Goldsmith had in her view mislead the Cabinet about the surety of the advice he was offering on the legality of war and that everyone ignored her.



The Public Transcripts 27 General the Lord Walker of Aldringham ...Chief of the General Staff

General the Lord Walker of Aldringham ...Chief of the General Staff, 2001 – Feb 2003 – April 2006 talks about the mattress mice and levers




The Public Transcripts 26 Sir Kevin Tebbit Permanent Secretary, MOD, 2001 - 2005

Sir Kevin Tebbit Permanent Secretary, MOD, 2001 - 2005 stated that if there were lots of meetings no one invited him to them but that didn't mean they didn't take place




The Public Transcripts 25 John Hutton MP viciously slagged off the MOD's ironically titled Future Rapid Effect System program that produced absolutely nothing

John Hutton MP viciously slagged off the MOD's ironically titled Future Rapid Effect System program that produced absolutely nothing in only 10 years because no one could decide on the specifications.



The Public Transcripts 24 Margaret Beckett who was in charge of liaising with the UN after the invasion admitted that post invasion UN cooperation was a bit grudging

Margaret Beckett who was in charge of liaising with the UN after the invasion admitted that post invasion UN cooperation was a bit grudging.  But cheerfully added that she doesn't care if it is grudging as long as people do what she wants.



The Public Transcripts 23 Lord Goldsmith drones on...

Lord Goldsmith's position was not helped by the fact that both his immediate underlings clearly thought that this was all drivel... One of them points out that you can actually look up what was said about 1441 at the time it was passed on the internet... and this does not seem to back Lord Goldsmith up...

...and, indeed, one of them actually resigned rather than agree to implement his instructions.  Maybe it is not an accident that there are so few women interviewed by the Iraq Inquiry. 

The Public Transcripts 22 Lord Goldsmith said he couldn't talk to the French because it would undermine the diplomatic effort against Iraq

Of course the key question then is did the other parties to 1441 intend for it to be a sanction to use military force and had they conceded this in private negotiations.  Jack Straw has some document which it is vaguely claimed might relate to this matter but cant be shown in public so Lord Goldsmith agreed with the Inquiry that he had taken this on trust.


The Inquiry then asked if he had thought of talking to the French about what they thought was so important that they had never articulated it and Lord Goldsmith said he couldn't do that because it would undermine the diplomatic effort against Iraq. 

The Public Transcripts 21 Lord Goldsmith pootled off to the USA...

As a result Lord Goldsmith pootled off to the USA to make enquiries about the negotiations at the time with the other parties to the negotiation of 1441 and concluded that a case could be made that the words that might imply force was sanctioned without another new resolution and that crucial words which could be stretched to intimate an intention to allow action without another resolution "could not have been included by accident" and therefore they must have been deliberate.




The Public Transcripts 20 Lord Goldsmith and the syntax of 1441...

Lord Goldsmith infamously, we learnt with hindsight, changed his mind from "it isn't legal" to "it is legal" as the date of the invasion approached.  His explanations for this are extremely long winded (you dont get to be Attorney General by using one word when a thousand will do).  But it comes down to something like this...


...after analysing the syntax of resolution 1441 he decided that a case could be made that it implicitly sanctioned the use of force even though it clearly didn't say that explicitly.  From this point he decided that it would be wrong to view the document "in a vacuum" and that the context and meaning intended by the Security Council members should be considered.

The Public Transcripts 19 Lord Goldsmith on the legal advice for going to war

Anyway ...amongst the most controversial evidence given to the Iraq Inquiry was, of course, that of Lord Goldsmith on the legal advice for going to war. In case you haven't heard it (it took a while to find its way into the public domain) here it is again...



The Public Transcripts 18 Tony Blair assured the Inquiry that he hadn't made any promises about going to war and that George W Bush was an understanding person.

Tony Blair assured the Inquiry that he hadn't made any promises about going to war and that George W Bush was an understanding person....



The Public Transcripts 17 Jonathan Powell Chief of Staff to the Prime Minister, 2001 - 2007

Jonathan Powell Chief of Staff to the Prime Minister, 2001 - 2007 claims that there were some misunderstandings.



The Public Transcripts 16 Jack Straw says that while the wider issues were discussed you cant just go around trusting the Cabinet with information.

 Jack Straw says that while the wider issues were discussed you cant just go around trusting the Cabinet with information.  There are 27 or 28 of them.  Far too many.  Just him, Geoff Hoon, Jack Straw, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Alastair Campbell and erm...?




The Public Transcripts 16 - Lieutenant General Sir Richard Shirreff complains about the lack of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles ...

 Lieutenant General Sir Richard Shirreff complains about the lack of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles ...



The Public Transcripts 15 Alastair Campbell blames the French...

 Alastair Campbell blames the French...



The Public Transcripts 14 Alastair Campbell says with no irony that you can't just choose the leadership of another country...

Alastair Campbell says with no irony that you can't just choose the leadership of another country...




The Public Transcripts 13 Lord Turnbull Cabinet Secretary, 2002 – 2005

Lord Turnbull Cabinet Secretary, 2002 – 2005 described the generation of the Iraq War dossier as process of "granny's footsteps".



The Public Transcripts 12 General Sir John Reith Chief Joint Operations Aug 2001-Jul 2004

General Sir John Reith Chief Joint Operations Aug 2001-Jul 2004 speaks in private about playing on a field where the goalposts are moving ... and the field as well.







The Public Transcripts 11 Vice Admiral Charles Style...

Vice Admiral Charles Style talks about exactly how many military operations the British Armed Forces are designed to undertake and sustain at any one time and how running the Afghanistan and Iraq operations in parallel caused some resourcing issues.






The Private Transcripts MI6 - SIS2 Part 2 - Alastair Campbell the “unguided missile”

  More redaction before Sir Lawrence Freedman asserts that after UNSCOM withdrew from Iraq in the late 90s MI6 lost most of its sources.. . ...